'Guns and alcohol are not a good mix'

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Tuesday, June 1, 2010

COLUMBUS, Ohio—The Ohio Senate on May 27 passed legislation that would allow conceal-carry permit owners to carry their firearms into establishments that serve alcohol. Ohio Senate Bill 239 was approved 23-10 and now heads to the Ohio House for a vote.

While the legislation specifically restricts gun owners from consuming alcohol, Jarrod Clabaugh, spokesperson for the Ohio Restaurant Association, said determining who is carrying a concealed weapon, and ensuring they are not served alcohol, poses serious challenges for restaurant owners. “In general, we feel that alcohol and guns are not a good mix and we oppose this legislation,” he said. “We understand and appreciate the argument for and against this bill, but we support preserving the current law as there’s been no [indication] that it’s not working.”

Several law enforcement agencies also oppose this bill, arguing it would be very difficult to police. Mark Drum, legislative chairman for the Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio, who testified at the Senate hearing, called this legislation “unenforceable.” Because this bill would allow concealed weapons, “police wouldn’t know if there’s been a violation because they can’t ask everyone for their permit,” he said.

There is also concern regarding the language of the bill in regards to the consumption of alcohol. “Gun owners all say they are going to agree not to drink, but according to Ohio law it’s only a violation if you’re intoxicated and have a gun,” he said. “If police see someone with a gun, unless they see them drinking they don’t know there’s a violation.”

During his testimony, Drum suggested the bill contain stiff penalties for those who break the law. “We asked the Senate to add a provision that if they do indeed have alcohol in their system while in a bar and have a permit, that they lose their conceal-carry permit for life,” he said. However, that suggestion did not make it into the language of the bill.

Drum suggested that individual restaurant and bar owners prevent patrons from carrying concealed weapons in their establishments by posting the appropriate signage at entrances. “We recommend they put up a sign prohibiting people from carrying in a gun. It’s their establishment, it’s their right to do that,” he said.

Those in support of the bill argue that this legislation is needed because prohibiting concealed weapons “turns those places into ‘victim zones’ where citizens can’t protect themselves,” reported The Morning Journal.

If the bill passes the House, it is expected that Gov. Ted Strickland will sign the measure into law.

 

Comments

Now that Mr Stelter has offered his opinion, is there an outside chance that he will also offer some facts?

SB239 offers nothing not presently available in over 40 other states in the US without a problem.

In 2007, at a crowded bar in Winnemucca, Nv, a gunman (carrying illegaly) opened fire in the crowd. A single CPL holder stopped him with two shots from his legally carried hand gun. The gunman had two more 17 round magazines that he didn't have the chance to get to.

The ones that drink and carry will be weeded out soon enough.
CPL carriers as a general rule are more responsible than you give credit.

Why do restaurant owners continue to let people drive to restaurants that serve alcohol? How are are restaurant owners supposed to know who is driving? Why do restaurants even have parking lots? Drinking and driving don't mix. I say get rid of parking lots at restaurants, and post "no drivers" signs on the doors. Drivers can't be trusted to obey the law once inside anymore than concealed carriers.

Do police officers ever consume alcohol while off duty and carrying a firearm ? What do you think, should they likewise be disarmed, or banned from a ginmill?
Let's worry about the real criminals, not the conceiled carry wantabees! With their gold conceiled carry badges....what a joke.
Harry Rensel says.... law enforcement is serious work folks, let's not forget that fact. It should not be attempted unless sober.